DA leader John Steenhuisen on devolution; "coalition school"; Mbeki; ANC Conference; and why 2024 is SA's Last Chance Saloon.

In this sobering yet hopeful discussion, DA leader John Steenhuisen explains why his party is redoubling its efforts to secure devolution of power from Pretoria to provincial governments - what it will mean in practical ways and how it differs from the approach of Cape secessionists. In this wide ranging interview he also looks ahead to December's ANC Elective Conference; shares the back story of Thabo Mbeki's re-entry onto the political stage; explains lessons learnt by political parties in the "coalition school"; and provides insight into the DA's plan for 2024 which aims at ensuring the ANC is ejected from power in Gauteng, KZN, the Free State - and Parliament itself. He spoke to Alec Hogg of BizNews. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices